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		<title>By: Surprise! at Kindly Póg Mo Thóin</title>
		<link>http://kindlypogmothoin.com/2007/08/30/how-will-fat-people-know-theyre-fat-unless-their-doctors-tell-them/#comment-3395</link>
		<author>Surprise! at Kindly Póg Mo Thóin</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 04:08:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] my weight, especially during the time that it was going up, just because some doctor decided that I couldn&#8217;t possibly know I was fat unless he told me.  Nothing quite like anticipating a lecture about your weight that was shame mixed with pointing [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] my weight, especially during the time that it was going up, just because some doctor decided that I couldn&#8217;t possibly know I was fat unless he told me.  Nothing quite like anticipating a lecture about your weight that was shame mixed with pointing [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Kat</title>
		<link>http://kindlypogmothoin.com/2007/08/30/how-will-fat-people-know-theyre-fat-unless-their-doctors-tell-them/#comment-1245</link>
		<author>Kat</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2007 02:44:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>KS... wow! You and I are the same person! Mine starts kindergarten tomorrow too. Sometimes I feel like writing to that awful doctor and telling him that despite his lack of effort on behalf of my unborn child (who had the misfortune of being conceived by someone who did not fit his textbook guidelines) he is doing quite well, thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>KS&#8230; wow! You and I are the same person! Mine starts kindergarten tomorrow too. Sometimes I feel like writing to that awful doctor and telling him that despite his lack of effort on behalf of my unborn child (who had the misfortune of being conceived by someone who did not fit his textbook guidelines) he is doing quite well, thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Meowser</title>
		<link>http://kindlypogmothoin.com/2007/08/30/how-will-fat-people-know-theyre-fat-unless-their-doctors-tell-them/#comment-1149</link>
		<author>Meowser</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2007 20:46:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As someone who has transcribed and edited more medical reports in her life than she cares to admit, I have seen doctors willy-nilly recommend weight loss under some of the most bizarrely inappropriate circumstances you could imagine.  One example I'll never forget:  A 79-year-old fat woman who is bedridden, on both respiratory support and a feeding tube -- you know, the thing they give you &lt;em&gt;when you can't keep anything down&lt;/em&gt; -- clearly dying.  And the doctor recommends that she lose weight!  I thought my eyeballs were gonna shoot out of my skull and clear across the room and go splat against my picture window.  Let's see, the woman can't move, can't eat or drink -- yeah, she must be &lt;em&gt;bingeing through her nasogastric tube&lt;/em&gt;, that's why she's so ginormous.  GAAAAH.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As someone who has transcribed and edited more medical reports in her life than she cares to admit, I have seen doctors willy-nilly recommend weight loss under some of the most bizarrely inappropriate circumstances you could imagine.  One example I&#8217;ll never forget:  A 79-year-old fat woman who is bedridden, on both respiratory support and a feeding tube &#8212; you know, the thing they give you <em>when you can&#8217;t keep anything down</em> &#8212; clearly dying.  And the doctor recommends that she lose weight!  I thought my eyeballs were gonna shoot out of my skull and clear across the room and go splat against my picture window.  Let&#8217;s see, the woman can&#8217;t move, can&#8217;t eat or drink &#8212; yeah, she must be <em>bingeing through her nasogastric tube</em>, that&#8217;s why she&#8217;s so ginormous.  GAAAAH.</p>
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		<title>By: Karen</title>
		<link>http://kindlypogmothoin.com/2007/08/30/how-will-fat-people-know-theyre-fat-unless-their-doctors-tell-them/#comment-1142</link>
		<author>Karen</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2007 17:01:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;it’s some kind of xerox copy of a diet thrown at you, or just shaming that you’re fat.&lt;/i&gt;

Hey, I seem to remember that appointment... twice.  And I hated it so much, and was so ashamed to go to the doctor, that I very nearly didn't go back to get my thyroid tested and finish treating my hypothyroidism.

Maybe doctors don't tell their patients that they're fat so that their patients might actually come back to the them for treatment of problems that are actually treatable.  I'm a feminist, a fat activist, and usually quite outspoken, but something about the doctor's office just puts me in a vulnerable place.  Shame me about my weight, and, if I'm having a good day, I'll find other doctor.  If I'm not, I might just leave the problem untreated rather than go back to be shamed again.  I know how much I weigh, thanks.  I can read the numbers off the scale, too, you know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>it’s some kind of xerox copy of a diet thrown at you, or just shaming that you’re fat.</i></p>
<p>Hey, I seem to remember that appointment&#8230; twice.  And I hated it so much, and was so ashamed to go to the doctor, that I very nearly didn&#8217;t go back to get my thyroid tested and finish treating my hypothyroidism.</p>
<p>Maybe doctors don&#8217;t tell their patients that they&#8217;re fat so that their patients might actually come back to the them for treatment of problems that are actually treatable.  I&#8217;m a feminist, a fat activist, and usually quite outspoken, but something about the doctor&#8217;s office just puts me in a vulnerable place.  Shame me about my weight, and, if I&#8217;m having a good day, I&#8217;ll find other doctor.  If I&#8217;m not, I might just leave the problem untreated rather than go back to be shamed again.  I know how much I weigh, thanks.  I can read the numbers off the scale, too, you know.</p>
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		<title>By: Mnemosyne</title>
		<link>http://kindlypogmothoin.com/2007/08/30/how-will-fat-people-know-theyre-fat-unless-their-doctors-tell-them/#comment-1141</link>
		<author>Mnemosyne</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2007 15:33:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Sure, but all too often, if you get any kind of medical advice about losing weight, it’s some kind of xerox copy of a diet thrown at you, or just shaming that you’re fat. Doctors tend not to be very helpful in that regard.&lt;/i&gt;

Oh, I agree with you.  I was more thinking, given the standard of care at the Mayo Clinic, I suspect that Dr. Warren Thompson's idea of how a patient should lose weight is a whole lot different than idiot Dr. Gupta's, which seems to be, "Hey, if you tell the person they're fat, magical weight loss will begin!"

I remember that my friend's doctor felt that she was gaining too much weight with her first pregnancy, but the doctor had actual medical reasons to be concerned:  her blood sugar was getting out of whack and she had a family history of Type II diabetes.  Totally different than if the doctor had decided that the problem was that she was too fat rather than seeing it (correctly) as a symptom, not a cause.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Sure, but all too often, if you get any kind of medical advice about losing weight, it’s some kind of xerox copy of a diet thrown at you, or just shaming that you’re fat. Doctors tend not to be very helpful in that regard.</i></p>
<p>Oh, I agree with you.  I was more thinking, given the standard of care at the Mayo Clinic, I suspect that Dr. Warren Thompson&#8217;s idea of how a patient should lose weight is a whole lot different than idiot Dr. Gupta&#8217;s, which seems to be, &#8220;Hey, if you tell the person they&#8217;re fat, magical weight loss will begin!&#8221;</p>
<p>I remember that my friend&#8217;s doctor felt that she was gaining too much weight with her first pregnancy, but the doctor had actual medical reasons to be concerned:  her blood sugar was getting out of whack and she had a family history of Type II diabetes.  Totally different than if the doctor had decided that the problem was that she was too fat rather than seeing it (correctly) as a symptom, not a cause.</p>
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		<title>By: loretta</title>
		<link>http://kindlypogmothoin.com/2007/08/30/how-will-fat-people-know-theyre-fat-unless-their-doctors-tell-them/#comment-1140</link>
		<author>loretta</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2007 15:15:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There IS no effective medical weight-management plan. If there were, a good many fat people would be going to the doctor, getting and following an effective medical weight-management plan, and, lo, &lt;i&gt;getting thin and staying that way indefinitely&lt;/i&gt;. Because, you know, they were smart and lucky enough to get an effective medical weight-management plan from their doctors. It's funny how that doesn't actually happen too often. (There are plenty of medical conditions you can sometimes improve more or less permanently with doctor-advised lifestyle changes -- insulin resistance can be lowered or a low HDL raised, for instance. Fatness just isn't one of those conditions.)

Gupta's just a lazy hack.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There IS no effective medical weight-management plan. If there were, a good many fat people would be going to the doctor, getting and following an effective medical weight-management plan, and, lo, <i>getting thin and staying that way indefinitely</i>. Because, you know, they were smart and lucky enough to get an effective medical weight-management plan from their doctors. It&#8217;s funny how that doesn&#8217;t actually happen too often. (There are plenty of medical conditions you can sometimes improve more or less permanently with doctor-advised lifestyle changes &#8212; insulin resistance can be lowered or a low HDL raised, for instance. Fatness just isn&#8217;t one of those conditions.)</p>
<p>Gupta&#8217;s just a lazy hack.</p>
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		<title>By: ks</title>
		<link>http://kindlypogmothoin.com/2007/08/30/how-will-fat-people-know-theyre-fat-unless-their-doctors-tell-them/#comment-1139</link>
		<author>ks</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2007 15:11:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kat, are we the same person?  Or did we have the same doctor?  And for the record, 5'10" is maybe a little squishy, but it certainly isn't fat, it's barely even overweight.

I had almost exactly the same problems with my first pregnancy.  I started at 5'10" and 160 lbs (not really heavy at all--now I'm at about 180, still not all that heavy for my height) and gained 50 lbs with my first one.  And every time I saw my doctor he would lecture me about gaining too much weight.  However, I also saw the other doctors in his practice while I was pregnant, and one of them caught my low amniotic fluid, I delivered the next week, and my 5 year old is also healthy and starts kindergarten on Tuesday (sob--my baby is growing up).  I switched doctors with my second pregnancy, and I love my new guy.  He was very matter of fact with the weight gain (again, 50 lbs) and when I brought it up, he basically said that as far as the fetus is concerned, as long as I don't develop diabetes or anything, the fatter I get, the happier it is.  It's only if I car about losing the weight after that I should worry, and even then, 50 lbs isn't that out of the ordinary and lots of women gain that much or more during pregnancy and lose most of it after.  I absolutely love him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kat, are we the same person?  Or did we have the same doctor?  And for the record, 5&#8242;10&#8243; is maybe a little squishy, but it certainly isn&#8217;t fat, it&#8217;s barely even overweight.</p>
<p>I had almost exactly the same problems with my first pregnancy.  I started at 5&#8242;10&#8243; and 160 lbs (not really heavy at all&#8211;now I&#8217;m at about 180, still not all that heavy for my height) and gained 50 lbs with my first one.  And every time I saw my doctor he would lecture me about gaining too much weight.  However, I also saw the other doctors in his practice while I was pregnant, and one of them caught my low amniotic fluid, I delivered the next week, and my 5 year old is also healthy and starts kindergarten on Tuesday (sob&#8211;my baby is growing up).  I switched doctors with my second pregnancy, and I love my new guy.  He was very matter of fact with the weight gain (again, 50 lbs) and when I brought it up, he basically said that as far as the fetus is concerned, as long as I don&#8217;t develop diabetes or anything, the fatter I get, the happier it is.  It&#8217;s only if I car about losing the weight after that I should worry, and even then, 50 lbs isn&#8217;t that out of the ordinary and lots of women gain that much or more during pregnancy and lose most of it after.  I absolutely love him.</p>
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		<title>By: Zuzu</title>
		<link>http://kindlypogmothoin.com/2007/08/30/how-will-fat-people-know-theyre-fat-unless-their-doctors-tell-them/#comment-1138</link>
		<author>Zuzu</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2007 15:00:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;In theory, a medical weight-management program should include appointments with a registered dietician at an absolute minimum, if not appointments with a whole range of other medical personnel, like an exercise physiologist.&lt;/i&gt;

Sure, but all too often, if you get any kind of medical advice about losing weight, it's some kind of xerox copy of a diet thrown at you, or just shaming that you're fat.  Doctors tend not to be very helpful in that regard.

But Gupta's article seems to argue that the only way that a fat person could even conceive of doing something to lose weight is to talk to their doctor about it.  Which is bullshit, because we are surrounded by people offering advice and assistance for losing weight.  It's just more of the "fat people are too stupid to know they're fat, and too stupid to know how to lose weight unless a doctor tells them" attitude.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>In theory, a medical weight-management program should include appointments with a registered dietician at an absolute minimum, if not appointments with a whole range of other medical personnel, like an exercise physiologist.</i></p>
<p>Sure, but all too often, if you get any kind of medical advice about losing weight, it&#8217;s some kind of xerox copy of a diet thrown at you, or just shaming that you&#8217;re fat.  Doctors tend not to be very helpful in that regard.</p>
<p>But Gupta&#8217;s article seems to argue that the only way that a fat person could even conceive of doing something to lose weight is to talk to their doctor about it.  Which is bullshit, because we are surrounded by people offering advice and assistance for losing weight.  It&#8217;s just more of the &#8220;fat people are too stupid to know they&#8217;re fat, and too stupid to know how to lose weight unless a doctor tells them&#8221; attitude.</p>
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		<title>By: Zuzu</title>
		<link>http://kindlypogmothoin.com/2007/08/30/how-will-fat-people-know-theyre-fat-unless-their-doctors-tell-them/#comment-1137</link>
		<author>Zuzu</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2007 14:52:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I should add a link to Thorn's post on how fat hatred kills.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I should add a link to Thorn&#8217;s post on how fat hatred kills.</p>
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		<title>By: Mnemosyne</title>
		<link>http://kindlypogmothoin.com/2007/08/30/how-will-fat-people-know-theyre-fat-unless-their-doctors-tell-them/#comment-1136</link>
		<author>Mnemosyne</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2007 14:45:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Finally, the whole “You can’t lose weight without a weight-management plan.” I realize that doctors think the sun and moon revolves around them, but perhaps they have not noticed the multi-billion-dollar diet industry?&lt;/i&gt;

Hang on a sec -- a commercial diet and a weight-management program are not the same thing, especially to doctors.  I'm pretty sure that no doctor is under the impression that, say, Slim-Fast is something their patients can do for the rest of their lives.  In theory, a medical weight-management program should include appointments with a registered dietician at an absolute minimum, if not appointments with a whole range of other medical personnel, like an exercise physiologist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Finally, the whole “You can’t lose weight without a weight-management plan.” I realize that doctors think the sun and moon revolves around them, but perhaps they have not noticed the multi-billion-dollar diet industry?</i></p>
<p>Hang on a sec &#8212; a commercial diet and a weight-management program are not the same thing, especially to doctors.  I&#8217;m pretty sure that no doctor is under the impression that, say, Slim-Fast is something their patients can do for the rest of their lives.  In theory, a medical weight-management program should include appointments with a registered dietician at an absolute minimum, if not appointments with a whole range of other medical personnel, like an exercise physiologist.</p>
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