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		<title>By: Deserved Criticism : Elaine Vigneault</title>
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		<author>Deserved Criticism : Elaine Vigneault</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2007 00:39:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] wrote, "All too often, I’ve seen “the personal is political” raised to criticize someone for the choices she makes, whether those choices involve wearing makeup, shaving, getting married, having kids, staying home [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] wrote, &#8220;All too often, I’ve seen “the personal is political” raised to criticize someone for the choices she makes, whether those choices involve wearing makeup, shaving, getting married, having kids, staying home [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Feministe &#187; Why blame feminism for this?</title>
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		<author>Feministe &#187; Why blame feminism for this?</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2007 18:08:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] its ugly head. All too often, I&#8217;ve seen &#8220;the personal is political&#8221; raised to criticize someone for the choices she makes, whether those choices involve wearing makeup, shaving, getting married, having kids, staying home [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] its ugly head. All too often, I&#8217;ve seen &#8220;the personal is political&#8221; raised to criticize someone for the choices she makes, whether those choices involve wearing makeup, shaving, getting married, having kids, staying home [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: ahunt</title>
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		<author>ahunt</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Sep 2007 06:49:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>M, gotten some interesting feedback, and I'm deeply grateful for your headsup. 

From what I can gather, because feral cats are target practice on state land, it is only the much, much larger tracts of private property with some undeveloped, generally unfrequented areas that host small colonies.  

Houston...We have ignition.

Thanks again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>M, gotten some interesting feedback, and I&#8217;m deeply grateful for your headsup. </p>
<p>From what I can gather, because feral cats are target practice on state land, it is only the much, much larger tracts of private property with some undeveloped, generally unfrequented areas that host small colonies.  </p>
<p>Houston&#8230;We have ignition.</p>
<p>Thanks again.</p>
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		<title>By: Mnemosyne</title>
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		<author>Mnemosyne</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2007 21:40:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You're welcome.  The vasectomy option is best when you have an established colony with a feral adult male who's fathering most of the kittens -- it halts or reduces the kitten production while you work on the rest of them.  Obviously, for younger males that you're trying to tame, neutering is a better option.

We know that our older kitty would dearly love to be allowed outside our apartment but (a) we live in a small city that has too much traffic for him to be safe and (b) we can tell that he would be a bird-killer and it would be unfair to the local bird population to let him decimate them.  So he stays indoors with his feather toys.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re welcome.  The vasectomy option is best when you have an established colony with a feral adult male who&#8217;s fathering most of the kittens &#8212; it halts or reduces the kitten production while you work on the rest of them.  Obviously, for younger males that you&#8217;re trying to tame, neutering is a better option.</p>
<p>We know that our older kitty would dearly love to be allowed outside our apartment but (a) we live in a small city that has too much traffic for him to be safe and (b) we can tell that he would be a bird-killer and it would be unfair to the local bird population to let him decimate them.  So he stays indoors with his feather toys.</p>
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		<title>By: ahunt</title>
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		<author>ahunt</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Sep 2007 00:07:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually M...my real goal was to domesticate the ferals on our property to the point that the ground nesting birds and yes, the songbirds...have a better shot at posterity. It sometimes takes a coupla years. but we have a good track record on bringing cats into the barn for food, health care, fixing...and the occasional lovin's.

It is open season on feral cats (and dogs, unless we get there first) year round here, because hunters do like their gamebirds and everyone detests feral dogpacks running whitetail. But awhile back, birders raised serious concerns about feral feline depradations on other bird populations, and we began to shift our focus a bit...to rapidly reduce the expanding feral feline population before they were "demonized" as useless pests, and deliberately hunted. 

But we cannot semi-tame them all, and you've given us something to work with here. Thanks for the headsup. Gonna put it out on the board...get feedback, and talk to our vets and DNR officers...

Okay Sarah...you have your world absent responsible breeders, (and I'm guessing you do not include the sporting/herder breeds under the heading of "service dogs.") So...shepards, labs, golden retrievers, dobies, bloodhounds, and so on and so forth make the cut. Which breeds, in your view...do not?

Where do our local dairy farms get their cattle dogs? Where do sheep farmers find their herd protectors? Where do apt dwellers find appropriate size and temperment dogs for their lifestyle? (I've got a Great Pyr rescue, first purebred ever, that has taken the place of my shotgun in warding off coyotes and marauder feral canines.) And where do hunters get their birddogs? And so on...

I see no problem in multi-purpose dogs. In my experience, dogs with a purpose outside of loving companionship are happy dogs.

I get what you are saying...and the motley crew that graces our homestead, are in fact the "unadoptables." But I have no problem breeding dogs for specific purposes, and no problem with responsible breeders. And certainly, no problem with responsible people who educate themselves, and get the breed that is right for them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually M&#8230;my real goal was to domesticate the ferals on our property to the point that the ground nesting birds and yes, the songbirds&#8230;have a better shot at posterity. It sometimes takes a coupla years. but we have a good track record on bringing cats into the barn for food, health care, fixing&#8230;and the occasional lovin&#8217;s.</p>
<p>It is open season on feral cats (and dogs, unless we get there first) year round here, because hunters do like their gamebirds and everyone detests feral dogpacks running whitetail. But awhile back, birders raised serious concerns about feral feline depradations on other bird populations, and we began to shift our focus a bit&#8230;to rapidly reduce the expanding feral feline population before they were &#8220;demonized&#8221; as useless pests, and deliberately hunted. </p>
<p>But we cannot semi-tame them all, and you&#8217;ve given us something to work with here. Thanks for the headsup. Gonna put it out on the board&#8230;get feedback, and talk to our vets and DNR officers&#8230;</p>
<p>Okay Sarah&#8230;you have your world absent responsible breeders, (and I&#8217;m guessing you do not include the sporting/herder breeds under the heading of &#8220;service dogs.&#8221;) So&#8230;shepards, labs, golden retrievers, dobies, bloodhounds, and so on and so forth make the cut. Which breeds, in your view&#8230;do not?</p>
<p>Where do our local dairy farms get their cattle dogs? Where do sheep farmers find their herd protectors? Where do apt dwellers find appropriate size and temperment dogs for their lifestyle? (I&#8217;ve got a Great Pyr rescue, first purebred ever, that has taken the place of my shotgun in warding off coyotes and marauder feral canines.) And where do hunters get their birddogs? And so on&#8230;</p>
<p>I see no problem in multi-purpose dogs. In my experience, dogs with a purpose outside of loving companionship are happy dogs.</p>
<p>I get what you are saying&#8230;and the motley crew that graces our homestead, are in fact the &#8220;unadoptables.&#8221; But I have no problem breeding dogs for specific purposes, and no problem with responsible breeders. And certainly, no problem with responsible people who educate themselves, and get the breed that is right for them.</p>
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		<title>By: Mnemosyne</title>
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		<author>Mnemosyne</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2007 18:48:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ahunt, you may already know this, but I've seen studies saying that in feral cat colonies it's actually more effective to get the adult males vasectomies than to neuter them.  If they get neutered, they lose some of their drive to protect their territory and their females, but if they're given a vasectomy, they continue the same behaviors and ward off other, fertile males without increasing the population.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ahunt, you may already know this, but I&#8217;ve seen studies saying that in feral cat colonies it&#8217;s actually more effective to get the adult males vasectomies than to neuter them.  If they get neutered, they lose some of their drive to protect their territory and their females, but if they&#8217;re given a vasectomy, they continue the same behaviors and ward off other, fertile males without increasing the population.</p>
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		<title>By: Anne Onne</title>
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		<author>Anne Onne</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2007 23:59:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agreen wholeheartedly with what you wrote. I think there is a fundamental difference betwen people we respect and 'role models'(whatever they are). I read Feministing, Feministe (from whence I came here) and Pandagon, among others, and I respect all the feminist bloggers fot their wit, honesty, humanity and dedication. I admire how they deal with coflict or complicated issues thuoghtfully, and how they examine their own lives and thoughts. 

But do they owe me an explanation for their choices? no. That's nto to say any choice shouldn't be examined, but in the end, they don't owe anybody to make any choice. They are willing to share many aspects of their personal lives with their readers, but that does not mean they must defer to their readers for any decisions in their life. 

If we fight for the freedom of choice, how dare some of us judge and shame another for their choice?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agreen wholeheartedly with what you wrote. I think there is a fundamental difference betwen people we respect and &#8216;role models&#8217;(whatever they are). I read Feministing, Feministe (from whence I came here) and Pandagon, among others, and I respect all the feminist bloggers fot their wit, honesty, humanity and dedication. I admire how they deal with coflict or complicated issues thuoghtfully, and how they examine their own lives and thoughts. </p>
<p>But do they owe me an explanation for their choices? no. That&#8217;s nto to say any choice shouldn&#8217;t be examined, but in the end, they don&#8217;t owe anybody to make any choice. They are willing to share many aspects of their personal lives with their readers, but that does not mean they must defer to their readers for any decisions in their life. </p>
<p>If we fight for the freedom of choice, how dare some of us judge and shame another for their choice?</p>
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		<title>By: SarahMC</title>
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		<author>SarahMC</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2007 17:15:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Please…tell us how you envision dog life absent breeders.&lt;/b&gt;

Are you serious?  You seem to find the prospect of a world w/out breeders unbelievable.  Why?
  
With the exception of service dogs breeders (or more accurately, &lt;i&gt;trainers&lt;/i&gt;), they are completely unnecessary.
Absent breeders, homeless dogs would not have to "compete" with sniny new purebreds and/or designer dogs for loving homes.  ALL dogs deserve loving homes, of course; but it is reckless to create new lives while hundreds of thousands of others are homeless.  There are literally hundreds of thousands of dogs waiting for homes.  They are not "damaged goods" and they're not to blame for their predicaments.  If people wanted to, they could definitely find the perfect shelter dog for them and their lifestyle.

A world without breeders (save service dogs) is entirely imaginable and certainly preferable to the world we have today.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Please…tell us how you envision dog life absent breeders.</b></p>
<p>Are you serious?  You seem to find the prospect of a world w/out breeders unbelievable.  Why?</p>
<p>With the exception of service dogs breeders (or more accurately, <i>trainers</i>), they are completely unnecessary.<br />
Absent breeders, homeless dogs would not have to &#8220;compete&#8221; with sniny new purebreds and/or designer dogs for loving homes.  ALL dogs deserve loving homes, of course; but it is reckless to create new lives while hundreds of thousands of others are homeless.  There are literally hundreds of thousands of dogs waiting for homes.  They are not &#8220;damaged goods&#8221; and they&#8217;re not to blame for their predicaments.  If people wanted to, they could definitely find the perfect shelter dog for them and their lifestyle.</p>
<p>A world without breeders (save service dogs) is entirely imaginable and certainly preferable to the world we have today.</p>
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		<title>By: ahunt</title>
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		<author>ahunt</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2007 02:21:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You DON'T get it. Elaine...there are no natural resources programs...not here, and we are semi-developed resistant rural.

So this is really all about breeders? And nothing more?

Please...tell us how you envision dog life absent breeders. Tell us how this works...

Copying and off to your site.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You DON&#8217;T get it. Elaine&#8230;there are no natural resources programs&#8230;not here, and we are semi-developed resistant rural.</p>
<p>So this is really all about breeders? And nothing more?</p>
<p>Please&#8230;tell us how you envision dog life absent breeders. Tell us how this works&#8230;</p>
<p>Copying and off to your site.</p>
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		<title>By: Elaine Vigneault</title>
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		<author>Elaine Vigneault</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2007 01:07:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ahunt, 
You've misunderstood. I am all for TNR programs. I am against breeders. I have no comment on whether or not you're a feminist, I don't know you. If you wish to discuss this further, my blog is more appropriate.

Zuzu,
I was just responding to your comment that it costs a lot to run a website. I won't bring it up again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ahunt,<br />
You&#8217;ve misunderstood. I am all for TNR programs. I am against breeders. I have no comment on whether or not you&#8217;re a feminist, I don&#8217;t know you. If you wish to discuss this further, my blog is more appropriate.</p>
<p>Zuzu,<br />
I was just responding to your comment that it costs a lot to run a website. I won&#8217;t bring it up again.</p>
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